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Shalom Yisrael, I hear this cliche all the time highly referring to Israelite women of the "black" race.  Is this a prophecy that we must endure as a people and how does it end?  I support my people and wont dare pass all blame upon the women but some of the tactics that "baby momas" do to good men validate the cliche' makes me ask.


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This cliche has become popular over the years as the so called "minorities" households began to deteriorate.  the "baby momma drama" is a statement used by fathers that are no longer in a relationship with the mother of his children.  These women tend to make the child/dren father's life difficult with various acts of wickedness.  Some acts have been reported as...

Loud and unruly behavior
wrongfully depriving the father of his parenting rights
speaking negatively of the father to the children
maliciously seeking child support as a means of vengeance
Initiating spitefull actions just to purposely inconvenience or ridicule the father
Angry and jealous behavior because the father has entered into a new relationship.

There is indeed "baby daddy drama" however I will address the question at hand.

Yes this is a curse due to lawlessness and disobedience to the Most High.

Deuteronomy 28:56
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter.

Because of a lack of obedience to the laws of the Most High, divorce and separation have drastically increased in the world, However more prominant and detrimental among the tribes of Israel.  The scriptures teach us that the woman is the weaker vessel and therefore more susceptible to her emotions that can at times rule over her logic.  The "drama" as it is called is merely bitterness and anger in any case.  If the father has behaved himself wickedly towards the mother, she may have utterly disdain for him and may very well become repulsed at his very existence allowing her emotions to control her nature resulting in even more wicked acts on her part as a means of spite or revenge.  This can also be the case if the man is righteous (or good in nature of the world) and the mother has behaved wickedly resulting in the man departing from her.  Her emotions can allow her to also become bitter with resentment and pride and create "drama" or do things purposely to hurt or frustrate the man as a retaliatory means.  And because the child (or children) is the only connection the woman has to the father they are often used as the vessels.  examine again

Deuteronomy 28:56
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter.
Such behavior can in fact effect the children spiritually, mentally and physically but when the woman is in such an emotional state this is not discerned. 

Leviticus 19:17-18
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

We see that hatred can blind us from the truth and can cause us to act wickedly.

Being one of the curses that came upon the Nation of Israel, the only means to an end of this disaster is to repent and OBEY the laws and commandments.

"Knowledge and wisdom shall be the stability of thy times and strength of salvation; the fear of the Lord is his treasure" Isaiah 33:6

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Thank you for explaining.  What should men that is experiencing such actions do?  What is the scriptural wisdom to keep them from reacting?  There are many men that have been provoked to the point of physical abuse landing themselves in jail.  The rate of assaults have also increased in relationships.  Men have tried to walk away but the Baby Moma wont let them.  Any clue?


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Physical assault is not necessary as some brothers in prison may have discovered.  We are given wisdom and instruction by the Most High.

1 Thes 5:15
See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Proverbs 24:29
Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.

We are instructed to always do good no matter what.  It is very difficult at times and much patience is required but in doing so we keep our souls from danger.  We must remember that everything that is done to afflict us is an attempt to take us away from the path of Christ we are determined to walk.  You will realize that NO REACTION is often times the BEST ACTION.  This is the stance that Christ took.  There is more POWER in humility than retaliatory antics.

Proverbs 15:1-3
A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.


We see that arguing with the person may not profit.  The Lord instructs us to remain calm and use wisdom in EVERY circumstance.  It may be hard to do but it works.  Remember FIRE needs fuel to burn, add no fuel the fire goes out. Proverbs 26:20


Proverbs 9:13-18

13A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

 14For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,

 15To call passengers who go right on their ways:

 16Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

 17Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.

 18But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

The word advises that if a woman is found to be or act in a foolish manner, it is wise to avoid dealing with her.  This is difficult when children are involved.  If a reasonable arrangement cannot be made court orders may be sought out.  This is not ideal to do but in such difficult circumstances may be necessary.

As in all things our faith must be applied.

Psalms 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Proverbs 16:7
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

Romans 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

When we follow the instructions of the Most High he will fight for us.  We oftentimes just have to BE STILL and allow him to work and not be overthrown by our own emotions and anger.  In doing so we are able to see every situation clearly thus preventing us from doing anything foolish that may make our matters worse.  This is the lesson Christ taught in "turning the other cheek"

Luke 6:28-29
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Now we know we dont allow anyone to just physically abuse us but to seek revenge of such actions will be the Lords vengeance.

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Strife, insults, loud talking, wicked actions should not cause us to lose focus of righteousness, the Most High will repay those that do his servants ANY harm.

This was the lesson conveyed with David and Saul.  As much hatred, resentment and envy that Saul had towards David this caused him to act wickedly in so much he attempted many times to kill David.  David showed Saul that he could have easily destroyed him but chose rather to wait for the Most High's judgment against Saul and before long Saul was destroyed for his wicked acts. 

1 Samuel 24:10
Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee: but mine eye spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he is the LORD's anointed.

Read 1 Samuel chapters 16-26


"Knowledge and wisdom shall be the stability of thy times and strength of salvation; the fear of the Lord is his treasure" Isaiah 33:6

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Another great post of wise actions that should follow each emotionally rupturing situation.  Especially for those of us who are quick at just blanking out, sobriety is out the door, and reacting emotionally when provoked to anger and even more so by those who we have a hire expectation for (usually Family or Brethren in Faith).  As though we have forgotten that everyone is subject to fall while walking this Earth.  And considering that when we fall we want the Lord to be merciful when casting Vengeance upon us, so we should be merciful and longsuffering and not willful before the Lord's Vengeance.

I pray that Israel, including myself,  will take heed and clean up our acts for the coming of the Lord.


1 Corinthians 1:4-10 - " Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."
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That's some excellent advice. Thank you for sharing. I pray that we can break the cycle of domestic confusion and be a caring and gracious nation again. I know we will in that GREAT DAY.

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MARK 3:24-25 24And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
 25And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

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