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Hay,

Its hard fa me to ask this question, but I need to understand to please God.

my husband not in the truth but i been watching this blog for a long time. We live in different states and he going to come live together soon.

I know what adultry is and lust is. What is the law on masturbation?


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Tamtam Shalam and welcome! a response is coming shortly


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SHALAM TAMTAM,
I'LL TRY TACKLING YOUR QUESTION AS BEST I CAN. NO NEED TO BE EMBARRASSED ITS A VALID QUESTION. IN REGARDS TO TRANSGRESSION I PERSONALLY HAVE FOUND NO LAW THAT STIPULATES MASTERBATION IS SIN

ROM 4:15: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

HOWEVER, I WOULD WARN AGAINST THE SPIRITS THAT COULD BE PROVOKED WHEN OPENING THAT DOOR. THE UNLAWFUL ASPECTS THAT MASTERBATION CAN BRING ABOUT IS THE USE OF DILDOS,VIBRATORS, AND OTHER LUSTFUL VISUAL OR PHYSICAL OBJECTS.THE CREATION OF SEX TOYS IS BASED AFTER PHALIC SYMBOLS AND IDOLS USED BY THE HEATHENS. I REMEMBER SEEING PART OF SOME SHOW CALLED SEX REHAB AND ACCORDING TO EDOMITE PSYCOLOGISTS AND PERSONAL TESTIMONIES MASTERBATION CAN BECOME ADDICTIVE. THERE WAS A SISTA ON THERE WHO COULDN'T GO A DAY WITHOUT MASTERBATING, SHE EVEN SAID SHE SPENT A WHOLE DAY IN BED PLEASURING HERSELF, EVEN WHILE DRIVING!(DONT' ASK LOL). SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO MASTERBATE RATHER THAN HAVE SEX, WHEN SEX IS THE NATURAL FORM OF PLEASURE THE MOST HIGH GAVE US!. SOME WOMEN FIND THEMSELVES GETTING MORE PLEASURE AND EXCITEMENT FROM "ENERGIZER" OPERATED TOOLS THAN A MAN AND THUS GET THE ATTITUDE "I DON'T NEED A MAN", OR MEN WANTING TO PLEASE THEMSELVES RATHER THAN DEAL WITH A WOMAN. IT CAN POTENTIALLY BRING OUT LUSTS WITHIN YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW EXSISTED, AND DESTROY THE NATURAL BONDS AND RELATIONSHIPS THE MOST HIGH INTENDED US TO HAVE TO BE FRUITFUL,MULTIPLY AND REBUILD OUR NATION.

II COR 2: Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. REGARDING DILDOS,VIBRATORS, ETC...

REMEMBER IN THE LAST DAYS
II TIM 3:2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,


THE 2 HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS IS WHAT I WANTED TO BRING OUT. MEN CAN BE LOVERS OF THEIR OWNSELVES THRU MASTERBATION (PLEASING HIMSELF INSTEAD OF FINDING A WOMAN TO WIFE) ALSO MASTERBATION DELETES THE NATURAL AFFECTION THAT TRUE SEX CAN BRING IN A RELATIONSHIP. ITS A QUICK FIX INDEED BUT CAN BE DANGEROUS.

THE WAR BETWEEN THE SPIRIT AND THE FLESH IS A HELL OF A WAR, I'VE LOST BATTLES, BUT PRAY NOT TO LOSE THE WAR. I CAN'T THROW UP A HOLIER THAN THOU FLAG AT YOU OR ANYONE READING THIS, BUT I CAN ONLY ADVISE IF YOUR HUSBAND WILL BE THERE SOON, I'D SUGGEST HOLDING TIGHT TILL HE ARRIVES AND YOUR RECONCILED. BUT IF YOU CAN'T, I'M NOT IN A POSITION OF UNDERSTANDING THAT I COULD TELL YOU THE ACT IS WRONG, BUT AGAIN WHAT CAN COME ALONG WITH THAT IS WHERE THE TRANSGRESSION CAN ARISE.


HOPE THAT HELPS!
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Would this scripture suggest that masturbation is not lawful?
 
Genesis 38:8-10
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
 
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SHALAM THE ECLECTIC,
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. REASON BEING ONAN WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE DID NOT PERFORM THE LAW. IF AN ISRAELITE MAN BEING MARRIED DIED AND HAD NO CHILDREN (MALES SPECIFICALLY) HIS BROTHER WAS TO DO THE DUTY OF A HUSBAND TO THE WIDOW AND RAISE UP SEED (HAVE SEX AND MARRY) HER SO THAT HIS SEED AND LINEAGE CONTINUED IN ISRAEL. ONAN DIDN'T DO THE LAW, ALSO HE DIDN'T MASTERBATE BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURES SAY "HE WENT IN UNTO" HER SO HE HAD SEX BUT USED THE "PULL OUT" METHOD AND DENIED HER A CHANCE AT HAVING A SEED IN THE NAME OF HER DEAD HUSBAND. IT WAS CONSIDERED A DISGRACE IN ISRAEL. WHY ONAN WAS PUT TO DEATH AND NOT JUST SHAMED AS THE LAW SAID IS UNKNOWN TO ME.

DEUT 25:5: If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6: And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
7: And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
8: Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
9: Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
10: And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.



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 ShalamTamtam,

     This question concerning masterbation only becomes hard/difficult when one has not, the course to understanding this subject spiritually.  I am in total agreement with Bro. Iyaqar's views and his points concerning the written law. 

     Let us however, perceive and scriptually extend ourselves a bit further into the spiritual aspects of this matter.  For as it is written, 

"AND SUCH TRUST HAVE WE THROUGH CHRIST TO GOD-WARD:  NOT THAT WE ARE SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES TO THINK ANY THING AS OF OURSELVES; BUT OUR SUFFICIENCY IS OF GOD;  WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT; FOR THE LETER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE." 
                                                                                    II Cor. 3:4-6

     So, how does a person begin to approach this seemingly, impasse?

     When a person is drawn away/enticed from their higher-self/spirit, a diviation from fact/truth has its beginnings within the confines of an individuals mind and/or thought content.   Here, it becomes imperatiVe that we start to examine, personnaly, (1) INTENTS (2) MOTIVES and (3) WILL of the personnal self. 
    
     It's well understood that the ideas/INTENTS (within the mind), is to remove all concerns/MOTIVES (thought content on this matter), in order to achieve/complete the personnal goal/WILL of (physical-self-satisfaction).

     But is our reasoning to engage in such practice, right(eous), wholesome or even HOLY to our SPIRIT.  Scripture informs us, "...without discretion do nothing." Apc. 33:29

     We are also instructed by the writings of Paul, "FOR IF YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH YE SHALL DIE, BUT IF WE THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YE SHALL LIVE."  Rom. 8:13
                   MORTIFY: Grk. (2289)---cause to be put to death, deadend, kill, mortify.

     So, if we take heed to these commands of Christ, spoken through Paul, we must change the ways (intents, motives, and personnal will) of our thoughts and content of mind concerning this topic and, "THAT YE PUT OFF CONCERNING THE FORMER CONVERSATION ACCORDING TO THE DECEITFUL LUSTS;  AND BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND;
AND THAT YE PUT ON THE NEW MAN WHICH AFTER GOD IS CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS."  Ephesians 4:22-24

     Now, it is up to that individual to follow-thru with these wods of spirit and truth by exercising them in action and deed.   Easier said than done---but as true Israelites, we've been called to perform the duties of self-sacrifice, "I BESEECH YOU THERFORE BRETHREN BY THE MERCIES OF GOD, THAT YE PRESENT YOUR BODIES A LIVING SACRIFICE, HOLY, ACCEPTABLE UNTO GOD, WHICH IS YOUR REASONABLE SERVICE."   Romans 12:1

     Only when these principles of life are truly applied and the keeping of faith that surpasses understanding, will we begin to witness and overcome  our own physical needs and short-comings.

     "THESE THINGS I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU, THAT IN ME YE MIGHT HAVE PEACE.  IN THE WORLD YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION:  BUT BE OF GOOD CHEER;  I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD."  John 16:33



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Shalam all, The scriptures do not speak of masturbation as sin per se however they do point towards Iqahamth's reasoning.  In our days of immaturity and ignorance of the Word of the Most High, this subject often went overlooked and in an attempt to improvise one's current situation or say "spice up" a married couple's sexual relationship, some things were done in ignorance according to the messages contained in the scriptures.  As far as masturbation goes, the scriptures speak that in times of abstinence, singleness, separation etc... that those in such situations when in need of sexual fulfilment turned to their spouses or refrained all together but makes no mention of masturbation.  Lets examine:

1 Corinthians 7:35-37
"And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
 
Here Paul addresses the scenario of a man that is betrothed (engaged) to a woman but chooses to wait or delay the act of consummation (sexual intercourse).  Paul clearly notes that if the need for intimacy becomes overwhelming then he should marry his wife and there is NO SIN between them.   BUT if he can contain his desire and and display power over his will, he "doeth well".  But nowhere here does it say for either to go aside and fulfill themselves (masturbate).

1 Corinthians 7:8-10
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:"

Paul suggest that the unmarried be as he was and exercised self control and power over one's will.

1 Cor 9:7
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

However if one cannot contain he suggest the bond of marriage (to a suitable mate) in order to avoid the temptation of fornication.

Lets go to the law.

Deuteronomy 23:9-11
"When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from every wicked thing.  If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again."

As Moses warns the soldiers of Israel of any man that has a "nocturnal emission" or "wet dream" that happens in his sleep, he is unclean until the evening.  But notice the scripture reads "that chanceth him" meaning it was no conscious effort on his part unlike masturbation.  Might I add that soldiers were often away from their wives months at a time or even years but they are warned against uncontrolled ejaculation.  Considering the camp and the man would be unclean it does not state that any man masturbated in this situation or would it even be wise?

As Iqahmath stated, this opens the doors to lust and fornication and we must be careful.

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ok thank you for clearing up my question.

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So these my options? "mortify myself" while he gone and "marry" when he is round here.  Turnin on and off aint that easy.

I thank therapy is needed.

Don't like the situation at all, I should move in wit him soon as possible.  Temptation can be strong


Thank all of you for the help wit topic.  I got lots of questions for another time.
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Shalom Brothers and Sisters,

I have a similar problem that I hope you all can help me with as well. I have been married for almost 4 months and have not had intercourse with my husband. He says it because of many reasons including that I am a strong woman, when he thought I was more on the milder side. It has made the little things that I do not particularly like about him seem really big, and I'm contemplating annulment. He states he wants to, but he doesn't try. I've waited over a year for this man and nothing. Now, I do not even want to have sex even it he could. Any words of encouragement you can give me?

Thanks!

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Dierochelle, It seems that you and your husband will definitely need to seek "righteous" counsel regarding your matter.  If you belong to a congregation you and your husband should ask your elders for marital counseling.  If you do not, feel free to contact us in order to make counselling arrangements for you and your husband.

Proverbs 11:14
Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


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Shalom True Nation,

We do not belong to a congregation and your services would be nice, as they are Israelite services. Can you provide me with a name and number of who I may contact?

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Shalam Sis,
Pardon me if I'm wrong but didn't you mention that your Husband was part of the "Gathering of Christ" Church? I'm not sure if he no longer is a part of that church and that's why you advised that you both had no congregational ties, or if that's where he initially began his learning but made no commitment to the Church.I'm just trying to eliminate any confusion.(1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints). Nonetheless, seeking counsel and the direction you choose to get that counsel should be discussed and agreed upon by both of you. I notice that you come here and i'm not sure if your Husband is aware or in agreement but in seeking a unified marriage its a must that you both are on one accord and doing things orderly.

1 Cor 14:40 40Let all things be done decently and in order.

Ecclesiasticus 25:1 :In three things I was beautified, and stood up beautiful both before God and men: the unity of brethren, the love of neighbours, a man and a wife that agree together.

Both of you are welcomed to take part in joining, questioning and observing the forums, videos, and audio lessons, however as a woman who is married you must consult with your husband before seeking counsel or knowledge from other men.

1 Cor 14:34-35 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Understanding that you are new to the faith and are learning its important that you know that True Nation honors the scriptural order of a household and in respect to your husband he should be involved and understand your desires and intents when it comes to your marriage, learning and future. It seems as though both of you are not in one accord on a few things and I'm only making sure that your aware of how to approach the situation when seeking outside help.

So again as TN stated if the both of you have no congregational home and are in need of counsel we are here to help, the contact information is on the homepage. just click "contact us" and you'll find our phone #, and email.

Shalam!

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Shalom Brother,

Wow! Talk about putting me in my place. I fully understand. My husband is aware that I am posting and what is being discussed here.  I apologize. I guess my understanding and terminology is incorrect here. When you speak of congregation, my thought was on a church (building) that we belonged to here in the area. My husband follows their teaching, and I thought until just know that he didn't consider himself as belonging to their church, but he has just corrected me and state that he doesn't belong to any church, he is just following truth, that backs up with the scriptures.

My husband will call you!
Shalom.



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FAIR ENUFF... ITS ALL GOOD SIS.

SHALAM!

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