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I come from a background where jakes having more than one wife was more common than other camps. And mixed families were very typical. You had brothas marrying sisters who had children already, or brothas who had children already but married different sistas that eventually came into the truth and had children, so on and so forth. No doubt some of these arrangements did not work out, and I saw my fair share of sistas being dealt with treacherously for their lack of understanding on the issue of marriage. Just as there were break ups of camps, the break up of marriages was just as prevalent.

What is the difference between, divorce, putting away, and separation. What is brothas understanding of the law? (And for the sake of argument, let’s say the woman still represents herself to some degree in the truth.) I hear jakes talking about they and their wife are separated indefinitely, etc. Isn’t this all in the same…divorce, putting away, separation? Or are brothas just using the word "separation" to downplay not having to confess the truth of their intentions which is "putting away" and "divorce." I have seen jakes keep one wife and not the other for whatever reason. Is this "putting away" of the other? Maybe a brotha found some uncleanness in the one. I realize all situations are different but how is a break-up classified if the woman committed no adultery according to Matthew 5:32?

Christ said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. So did he change the law regarding divorce that Moses put into effect (Deut 24:1-4) or is it that there is a better understanding to be had and divorce is in fact lawful?

I have heard it broken down like this. Christ did not do away with divorce, but simply warned of "putting away" a sista without formally writing her a bill of divorcement. So in other words, you can still divorce a sista according to the law if you find some uncleanness in her, but you cannot just leave things undone with loose ends, else then you leave the door open for adultery if another man pursues and there is no bill of divorce established.

But what about the scripture that says a woman is bound by the law as long as her husband lives? Does this just clarify that a woman may not divorceher husband, but he can still divorce her if he saw fit?

In regard to mixed families…what happens to the children of the wife that was separated from? If the brotha pledged to take care of these children previously (though they were not his), should he then abandon this responsibility during a separation? Or is separation and divorce one in the same so the brother is no longer under obligation? (Eccus 4:10) "Be as a father unto the fatherless, and instead of an husband unto their mother: so shalt thou be as the son of the most High, and he shall love thee more than thy mother doth." Does he owe the wife anything financially for herself as well as her children in separation? But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (1 Tim 5:8) And what is the right of the woman in regard to having their children stay with her? I have seen brothas take their children and move them into the house he shares with another wife and the separated sista gets only some visitation.

I saw the breakdown regarding Isaac and Ishmael on this forum and the brotha brought out that Abraham still took care of Ishmael. Did this also include Ishmael’s mother (as this was no doubt a separation/divorce of sorts) or was she simply to go back to her father’s house? How do brothas think this went down?

And what about Michal and David. Did David separate from this sista (if so it appears he still took care of her) or was she simply judged by the Most High and that’s why she had no children?

I’m all for a sista knowing her place and behaving accordingly, but I’m not down with taking advantage of her simply to exercise my authority as a man. "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully." (1 Tim. 1:8) I want to hear brothas understanding about divorce, the rights of the woman regarding children and should a man still continue to be a father to the fatherless during a separation. Also what is the difference between divorce, putting away and separation?"

These are issues that have not been settled amongst Israel but are truly necessary to be understood so that men and women know how to deal with one another under any circumstance. And so that our women are protected and not taken advantage of and abused through jakes manipulation of the scriptures. In marriage as any other Israelite condition, there are casualties of war.

Help a brotha out with this one. "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again…" (Heb. 5:12)

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MOW, you have presented many broad topics into one thread and some of your questions must require judgment based on all circumstances in each situation. I will answer very generally for myself or anyone else is at no liberty to advise any man or woman's marital circumstances not knowing the testimonies of ALL involved.

MARRIAGE

Josh. 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
In general it is not unlawful for a man and woman to marry, neither is It unlawful for a man to have more than one wife. However as stated, without the scriptures being applied on the parts of man or wife/wives the endeavor will result in failure. However when the Most High is the focal point, success is inevitable.

DIVORCE/SEPARATION

Can only result when there is a failure to comply with the scriptures.

2Cor. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1Cor. 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

A separation (in the marital sense) is a period to bring forth correction. Not speaking of mistakes which we ALL make but deliberate or willful acts of sin. For example if a woman has a husband that is physically abusive (1 Tim 3:3) and refuses to repent (by his actions), for her safety she should seek RIGHTEOUS counsel as to how she should proceed in such a volatile situation. The same goes for men that have wives that behave themselves WILLINGLY unlawfully. Some situations can be repaired easily, some may require more intricate measures such as separation whereas others failed attempts of repentance ultimately lead to divorce. The Most High is married to Israel however because of Israel's failure to obey, the Lord separated himself from Israel until we become holy and obedient.

Hos. 5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

We must understand that the scriptures are to PROTECT the righteous from foul play. Many men and women have unlawfully used divorce as a means to terminate their relationships over trivial reasons. This is what Christ addresses in Mathew Chapter 19

Matt. 19:3 ¶ The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Matt. 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matt. 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matt. 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Matt. 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Matt. 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Matt. 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matt. 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

As the Pharisees asked Christ if it was lawful to divorce for EVERY reason, shows the mind state of the people at this time in particular, the Pharisees themselves. We must understand the position of the Pharisees...

Matt. 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Matt. 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

So it was the Pharisees that judged also the marital issues of the people. What does Christ say of the Pharisees?

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So the Pharisees were not executing righteous judgment, not even in marriage. But they granted divorces for ANY little reason just as the judicial system does today. But Christ is correcting them showing that their decisions and reasons of divorce is what is leading the land into adultery and fornication. The lessons of the Pharisees (as today) taught "if I don't like you anymore I'll just divorce you and go marry someone else!" This as Christ stated, "was not so in the beginning". From the beginning, Men and women were taught the importance of marital longevity which came from the teaching of the laws of the Most High. Moses reinstated the laws that were given to Adam and passed down to generations. As Israel went into iniquity, these teachings (the laws) were neglected. As Christ re-taught these values of marriage, he received resistance from the Pharisees whose only purpose had become to achieving gain and public notoriety.

Matt. 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Matt. 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Matt. 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Christ agrees that infidelity (adultery) is a definite reason for divorce but is not the only reason. Lets examine:

1Cor. 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. (no longer under the bond of marriage...divorce)

Unbelief is also a cause of divorce going back to the laws Moses gave from the Most High.

MOW you are correct, Men and women alike use the scriptures to mislead or beguile others. Indeed some men twist scripture for their advantage. I have also witnessed women that do the same. Some women are continuously rebellious and say to their husbands when admonished, "whatever the case may be but you can't divorce me because i have not committed adultery!" Lets examine:

1Sam. 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Is it lawful to be married to a witch? or an idolator? A homosexual? a harlot? Rebellion comes with consequences also. But every situation has to be judged accordingly.

PARENTS and THE CHILDREN INVOLVED

As Joshua 1:8 admonishes us, everything would be much easier if we just followed the laws of the Most High. But when we don't, the next generation (children) suffer. In failed relationships, parents should always take care of their children without question. Without knowing any variables of a given situation it is extremely difficult for anyone to determine what arrangements should be made with the separated or divorced spouses and the children biological or not.

Prov. 11:1 ¶ A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

I do admonish anyone that has household issues of any sort seek counsel from their elders so that any issues can be handled decently and in order as scripture commands.

1Cor. 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

And forget not Christ's protocol..

Matt. 18:15 ¶ Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Matt. 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matt. 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Hope that helps!

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yea its a very broad topic but I will share a true story. You know I always have a story!

A brother and a sister in the congregation married and SHE had a son but they didn't have any children of their own. Eventually the sister ended up going to get back with her son's father. This was grounds for DIVORCE and he understood but he wanted to keep his bond with her son but the boy's father didn't want that. A lot of confusion came out the situation even physical confrontations with the father. She would also use her son to extort money from the brother causing more problems with the boy's father. Now if that was the brothers son it would be a different story and if the boy's father was ok with the bond than thats a ANOTHER story. Like the brother said every situation is different. But the brother in the truth was counseled to be wise and may should cut his dealings all together because of the problems.

Proverbs 17:14 ¶ The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.

I have seen brothers and sisters do some WICKED stuff in the truth the stuff MASHIYACH YAHAWASHI would never stand for. Sometimes you need a separation in order to sort out the truth.

1Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

MASHIYACH DOES NOT WANT divorce Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. But if they dont choose to walk righteously
Mathew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. marriage is a case by case study and you cant just say DO THIS OR DO THAT in times of affliction except in the case of FORNICATION as MASHIYACH YAHAWASHI said. I agree proper counsel should be sought out for anyone having family issues and not over the internet. May the spirit of MASHIYACH YAHAWASHI be with us all!

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Disclaimer: I am a married woman, posting by permission of my husband.


Question to you TrueNation for clarification purposes.  According to the indepth breakdown you posted there is no such thing as divorcing for incompatibillity, or am I not reading the breakdown correctly?  Are you saying if a brother is feeling completly incompatable with his wife he has to stick with her anyway?

What I mean by incompatible is they don't think alike which makes their actions contradictory, they don't enjoy the same type of entertainment, they don't enjoy the same fragrances, they don't discipline the same, they don't like reading the same books, she never communicates and shows attitudes all the time.  He always tries to articulate and communicate....etc.  the list can go on and on of incompatibility. So please clarify.

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Shalam everyone,
In reading the post I just wanted to add some more understanding regarding a couple points MOW was seeking understanding on.
Maybe this will bring some clarity to the statement regarding you "hearing"of a marital situation being seperated indefintely. Now there is a difference between Divorce and an indefinte separation.

Indefinite as defined by Funk and Wagnalls College Dictionary says:
Not definite or precise;undetermined;vague. Without a fixed number;indeterminate;unlimited.
 
Webster's Thesaurus defines Indefinite as
Being or seeming to be without limits.
 
Here's an analogy, in sports players that violate league rules depending on the circumstances and the offence can be suspended 2 games, 4 games, 8 games etc... some have even been suspended indefinately. That doesn't mean they've been banned from playing in their respective sports that means that it a judgement has yet to be determined and until one is, that player cannot play the sport, practice with the team or be around the team facilites. Many players have been suspended indefinately and have allowed back in the league and able to play their sport. Key example Michael Vick for those who are aware of him and his situation in the NFL.
 
The same goes for a marriage if a separation occurs, unless the couple stipulates between themselves and the Most High how long their separation is going to be (2 weeks, 6 months etc..) all Separations are considered indefinite. There's no specific timetable to work out whatever issues the marriage may be having. The key with a separation is, when it happens the eventual goal is to reconcile and get the marriage back on track with the Most High and themselves.
 
1 Cor 7:11-10 10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
 
The Lord said that the wife should not depart from her Husband (unless of course he's doing wickedness, rebellious to the truth, blaspheming the Most High, worshiping other God's etc...Deut 13:6-11)Everything applies except for the killing aspect of course. In the event she does leave the scriptures still say let her remain unmarried and the Husband can not put her away (Divorce) her. This is an example of an indefinite separation. If the Husband is acting a fool and the Wife leaves to find peace and continue her journey to salvation, there's no timetable on when or if the man gets his act together but the hope is that he does and she can be joined back unto him. Say the scenerio is just that the couple separated and they both proclaim their "in the truth" the law still applies she's not to marry another brother and the Husband is not to (Divorce) his wife. This will avoid any adulterous scenerios to present themselves, and order is still kept within the church and their marriage.
However, if the separation comes to the point where there seems to be no rightous resolution the scripture say that unbelieving party can depart(divorce)
1 Cor 7:15 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Key here is UNBELIVEING is the grounds for Divorce, not because you wife gained weight, doesn't cook like she used to, your husband isn't making the same type of money he used to, he's not giving you the attention he used to give you etc... The departure strictly had to be based on that party's unbelief in the scriptures and their failure to want to pursue salvation. That's why the Most High said we've been called to peace, let the believing continue to fear and serve the Most High without contention, strife, and drama in their life.

On the grounds of Divorce I think TN made excellent replies, and MOW the scriptures you supplied are sufficient and sound too in my opinion. The difference between a separation and divorce is one has no determined date of reconciliation, the other is there will be no reconcilation its over.
The other point I wanted to comment on was the children. Again as its been stated this is a broad topic and intricate because each situation is different. Unless witnesses are present we don't know of agreements or vows made between couples, let alone their personal issues or how a mate was treated in their marriage. I've seen marriage fall as well as flourish, but at the end of the day the ones that failed I never got overally involved unless I was required to for counseling purposes.
 
1 Thess 4:11 11And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;


The example given of if a man vows to take care of the children (whether his own seed, or not) then that man is obligated to live up to his vow.
Eccles 5:4-5
I thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
 5Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.
 
Hope these help as well. May the Lord watch over and bless the married and unmarried for that matter!.
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Let me clarify a few points on this topic. In Mat Ch 19, when Christ is answering the Pharisees we take notice that he says...

Matt. 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female
Matt. 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matt. 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
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Christ clearly states that marriage is until DEATH. "let no man put asunder". Marriage is an institution of survival for ANY nation. Without marriage the nation will demise. However the Most High has given us HOLY marriage by his laws and commandments that when these laws are applied, the marriage is successful and the true purpose of marriage, POSTERITY, is performed successfully when the children are taught righteousness and can in turn teach their children keeping the fear of Yahawah to each generation.

Remember, we did not enter into marriage with Christ (as believers) with thoughts to DEPART did we? (I hope not!) So is it with marriage. Spouses should not come together with thoughts to depart or divorce. As Christ stipulates.

Matt. 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Eph. 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph. 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph. 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph. 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph. 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph. 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Mal. 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Mal. 2:16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that [U]he hateth putting away[/B]: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

It is crystal clear that marriage is designed to be a permanent union until our spirits return to the Most High (death). One thing we must understand when reading these scriptures and understanding the message Christ gives in Mat 19 is that the stipulation of divorce and remarriage can only pertain to those that believe. Believers should have NO REASON to divorce if living according to the WORD. However unbelievers choose not to bind themselves to the MOST HIGH's covenants and therefore will marry and divorce for whatever reason they choose completely disregarding the Most High's intentions for marriage which is to produce a "GODLY (holy) SEED (children)" Mal 2:15

Divorce vs. Separation

Divorce is complete termination of the marriage while a separation is a temporary division of the relationship to install correction and repentance in a spouse that willingly transgresses the law. In a separation, a spouse desires not to be divorced but transgression has created breaches in the relationship that requires repentance. Usually the conditions of this relationship become unlivable and spouses must separate, but the end desire is to reconcile.

1Cor. 7:11 But and if she depart, (separate) let her remain unmarried, (because she is still lawfully married to her husband) or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. (divorce)

1Cor. 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

When spouses have separated, the end desire should be correction and reconciliation. True believers of the Most High will not look for reasons to separate or divorce just because their life has become uncomfortable with incompatibility issues. The scriptures give tons of counsel to help marriages survive the day to day trials. However as Christ states, FORNICATION/ADULTERY will corrupt any holy union and the results are disastrous therefore Christ leaves FORNICATION/ADULTERY as the only reason that a marriage can be terminated (divorce).

Matt. 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

We must examine the word fornication (Strongs Greek 4202)
pornei÷a porneia, por-ni´-ah; from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry: — fornication.

according to the definition, fornication consist of unlawful sexual acts as well as idolatry. When a person practices idolatry, they no longer look at the Most High as the supreme power and in turn cannot subject themselves to the laws of the Most High. This is then transgression and disbelief. Lets examine.

Jer. 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery (fornication) I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer. 3:9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.(idol worship, rebellion)

2Chr. 21:11 Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah,(for idol worship) and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah thereto.

We must be more meticulous with what fornication is.

Ezek. 16:26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

As Israel learned the unlawful ways of the other nations and therewith neglected the laws of the Most High, this was considered spiritual fornication (willful disobedience) which is grounds for divorce. Remember we are married to Christ and the only way we can divorce him is through rejection of his commandments. It is the same with spouses in marriage.

Hos. 4:6 ¶ My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Eph. 5:3 ¶ But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Matt. 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts (Rom 2:25) suffered you to put away your wives (disobedience to the laws): but from the beginning it was not so. (divorce was never intended by The Most High)

As Christ emphasizes the only legitimate reason the Most High will approve a divorce is through a spouses fornication or disbelief, he eliminates the multitude of loopholes for people to justify fornication and whoredom. Since marriage is consummated by sexual intercourse (Gen 24:67), when one marries and divorces for any other reason and marries someone else and then divorce again and marry another is nothing else but whoredom. As we see in the world today, America promotes this immorality.

Rev. 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

America endorses the doctrine of "marry today..divorce tomorrow!" and many have fallen into this wicked mind state. As Iqahmath stated, divorcing for any reason other than what Christ permitted is unlawful. If one (a believer that is) decides to divorce for another reason, although they think their divorce is legitimate, the Most High does not, and any marrying of the divorcee would still be considered adultery in the eyes of the Most High. Satan knows this and therefore whoredom prevails. Whoredom destroys the family bond of preservation which is crucial for a nation's longevity. Knowing these crucial parameters of marriage will also make one think wisely before they choose to marry a mate. But because of the haphazard mindset of today's immorality, people think of divorce before they fully come together. Some men and women marry only to feel they made a mistake shortly thereafter, and so they divorce. They then remarry only to repeat the same cycle. This is fornication giving no regard to the holy union the Most High intended. Just as people fall away from their belief in the Most High, people fall away from the oracles of marriage resulting in separation or divorce.

1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

With that said, incompatibility issues are not excusable to the Most High unless one is being incompatible with the scriptures. After all, there had to be enough compatibility to marry in the first place.

1Th. 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:




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Thawadah Brothers.  Now I hope that anyone who loves the Most High but has fallen by the things mentioned above because they have idolized their emotions and not given power to these scriptures, or the Lord, will turn back and repent before it is too late.

Thawadah again brothers.

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Tazapayan, I must address one of the items you listed as an incompatibility as you stated "they discipline differently". By this I assume you are pertaining to child raising. There should be no incompatibility in this area seeing the scriptures clearly command how children should be raised and disciplined and therefore the parents MUST AGREE with the word. The husband or wife that seeks to other methods in this area are placing themselves and those methods ABOVE what the Most High commanded (idolatry). This brings confusion into the home and we know the Most High does not approve of confusion. This is a major stumblingblock for marriages and for this, order is placed in the home where it is commanded that the wife obey her husband. When this is followed, the spirit of confusion is destroyed and strength, stability and righteousness is formed. We are not commanded to like the same foods, colors or hobbies of interest as our spouses BUT we are commanded to agree with the Most High. Unfortunately not every one does so, or pick and choose when they will resulting in the topic at hand.
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Nice breakdown my brothers! I heard breakdowns that a man couldnt divorce his wife even if she commited adultery more than once and a wife was made to stay with a wicked man that made no effort to be righteous. I must say a lot of souls have been destroyed over the topic of marriage. I know some Israelites that respect the order of marriage and work hard to keep their families together and some others only go around looking for temporary LOVE. Marriage is corrupted by corrupt minds and it is not for everybody. People marry because they want a companion but they dont want the full commitment and responsibility so like the brother said, they scream "IT WAS A MISTAKE!" this is not right because it gives everybody a free pass to divorce for any and every reason under the sun.
Either you're in the truth or your in the world! how can 2 people say they love the most high and wont follow his laws?
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
a person that refuses to obey any of the commandments is not a believer of the most high. Like Iamath said we cannot sin willfully. If a person sins and they are rebuked for their sin and that person repents they have saved the relationship and their soul. But if they sin and wont repent after being rebuked and admonished then they are rebels of the most high and are unbelievers even if they keep some of the other laws. We cant pick and choose what laws we want to follow and which laws we wont.
Galatians
5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (sin wilfully)
Proverbs 28:7
Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.

Keep the laws Israel and stop the madness!

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Wow, Marriage is indeed a weighty matter!
Sirach 7:25 Marry thy daughter, and so shalt thou have performed a weighty matter: but give her to a man of understanding.

Sirach 7:26 Hast thou a wife after thy mind? forsake her not: but give not thyself over to a light woman.
 
Sirach 6:7         If thou wouldest get a friend, prove him first and be not hasty to credit him.
 
Sirach 6:14 A faithfull friend is a strong defence: and he that hath found such an one hath found a treasure.

Sirach 12:8 A friend cannot be known in prosperity: and an enemy cannot be hidden in adversity.

Sirach 40:23 A friend and companion never meet amiss: but above both is a wife with her husband.

These are the scriptures that came to my mind when reading all the comments.. be more selective!

Praying for order and  peace in households  
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Great Precepts.


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