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i wanted to know how do you get married being and  Israelite and is there a difference to when you were in the world


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The biblical marriage process is as follows

1. Approval of marriage by parents and guardians. Ex 22:17
2. Courtship/Betrothal (engagemant) Deut 20:7
3. Sexual intercourse consumates the marriage Gen 24:6-7, Ex 22:16

A full discussion can be found in the thread "A Good Spouse is Hard to Find"

http://truenation.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2990813

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ok thank you


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I have read the thread link quite a few times and it is very informative.  I know the woman was given permission by her parents but what about the sons?  Did they also have to seek permission from their parents?  What if you are older and your parents are not making decisions in your life? What if the parents don't follow the laws of the Bible like many today?
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theeclectic, examine...

Deuteronomy 7:2-3

2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Judges 14:1-3
And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines.

 2And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife.  3Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.

These are a few of many scriptures that show the parents were also well involved in the giving away of their sons into marriage.

Remember this was applied when the children dwelt with the parents.  If the parents were not alive or unbelievers this giving into marriage was performed by the next authority figure like an uncle, grandparent, church elders etc...  if these are unavailable then ultimately the decision falls upon the man and woman themselves.

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Thank you for those scriptures!! Which leads me to another question, why did Samson want a Philistine wife and not an Israelite woman like his parents told him?
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Great question Theeclectic!  Lets read a little further in Judges chapter 14

Judges 14:3-4
3Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.
 4But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.

This is how the magnificence of the Most High works!  Samsons father and mother were doing their job teaching their son the commandments.  However we see it was the will of the Most High to place this thought in Samsons heart to marry a Philistine woman as a means to infiltrate the Philistines that had power over Israel.  Being accepted of the Philistines through this great work allowed Samson entry to eventually destroy many of the enemies of Israel and deliver our nation.  A plan that Samson's parents were not privy to.

Isaiah 25:1
O Lord, thou art my God; I will exalt thee, I will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.


 

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Completely understood!!! thank you

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Ever since i was allowed to come to the truth and was given the understanding on marriage i took that knowledge home and shared it with my mothers children. I shared that knowledge and gave her a few days to meditate on it and asked her so you understand what ive shared with u and do you understand that the next time if we were to have sex you would become my wife? her reply was "yes i understand and i want to be your wife." so she became my wife from what i understood at the time.

Now as time went on she began to see that i was putting GOD b4 everything and she did not like it. she even went as far to say that "i want you to stop putting GOD first and put me first." Blew my mind couldnt believe it ! i laughed at her and told her she was the krazy one. (maybe that was a mistake at the time)

Now as more time went on she began to "disrepect" the marriage without any consideration and even went as far as to say that WE WERE NEVER MARRIED and told people i was krazy for thinking that because we didnt have a "worldly ceremony". she even commited the ultimate disrepect by commiting adultry. now even when i found the evidence and she confessed i still tried to keep the family together by not forgetting but by forgiving her. but she continued to disrespect the marriage and i felt that i tried to do everything within my power to keep it together but saw that there was no use to allow her to continue to disrepect our commitment to The FATHER and SON and HOLY SPIRIT and the family so i wrote her up a letter of divorce and sent her on her way. LORD knows i tried to keep the family together for MANY moons.

Now as time has gone by i have second guessed myself if we were really married ? did i take the right steps to even have the right to call what we did and had a marriage?

Elders / brothers n sisters help me understand if what i did was righteous and "did i even have a wife or did i just think that i did the right thing" ????????

this has bugged my spirit for many moons but i still continue to call her my estranged wife. should i continue to believe that and do i have the right to call her that ?

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SHALAM NAKAR,
You were definantly in a marriage and you have a fair understanding of what constitued your marriage and consumated it. Were you within your right to give your ex a bill of divorce yes. Just random acts of divorce as we see today wasn't permitted according to Christ. Brother's used to find every excuse to divorce their wives, but Christ said except it be for fornication or adultry work it out. We can talk more in depth when we meet with you.

Exd 20:14] Thou shalt not commit adultery
 
Matt 19 7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery
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i have the same question do you have to have an engagement and is divorce ok in the most highs eyes


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Hey Sister,

I'm just copying what was said earlier, because it answers your question in the numbered steps:

A full discussion can be found in the thread "A Good Spouse is Hard to Find"

http://truenation.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2990813


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