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Shalam Israel, May the Highest shine down upon you favor , wisdom, understanding and Humility always.

This question that I'm Posing is based on:

Isaiah 4:1
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

I don't see how this is literal!

1. What reproach will a sista have that has made it to the kingdom?
2. What kind of offer is this to a Godly man that a woman is Screaming " Ms. Independent by telling the brotha she doesn't need him to buy her food or clothes "I got that"...hence " we will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel"

I have heard brothas say that" In that day" here is referring to the Kingdom when Christ will set everything in order and these marriages will be in righteousness. For the reasons listed above I guess I still don't see that.

1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Again, how can this be an attractive offer for a Godly Man?

The scriptures say That the brothas will be a Kingdom of Priests and Kings!

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

Are the terms Priest and Bishop interchangeable?

If so, why then is the Bishop and Deacons permitted to only have one wife ?

1 Timothy 3:2,8
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

8. Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

I have heard some say that it is because of the law of the Land. However Israel was scattered in places other than America which allow for polygamy.

Would you then say that the other attributes mentioned above for a Bishop will not be needful in the kingdom.?

Will he not also have to be of Good behavior in the Kingdom?


I have heard brothas go so far as to say that they don't want to be Bishops and Deacons. WTH!!!!!!!!!! How then is the Kingdom that is ment for Kings and Priests for you?

1 Timothy 3:1
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Help me to understand Isaiah 4:1 because At one time I thought that it could have been symbolic of the seven Churches mentioned in Revelations chapters 2&3 but That wouldn't really explain " Thyatira" though.... I don't think... just help me! Lol

Shalam, Gilana



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Isaiah 4:1

"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."

This scripture is describing the day of the Lord and the end results of the prophecy against the daughters of Israel mentioned just in Isaiah the 3rd chapter.

Isaiah 3:16 "Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon..."

Because of the daughters of Israel's haughtiness (arrogance, pride), lack of virtue and disobedience, the Most High has issued a judgement or punishment against them. The mind state of women mentioned here is similar to many of today's Israelite women. Their "independence" haughtiness and disdain for order has caused the Most High of Israel to take away their virtue, beauty and their glorious (royal) sets of attire. This is why many women have fallen into wearing pants and whore-like clothing and cross dressing because their taste of righteous beauty was taken from them so they lack a sense of virtuous identity. As we read in Isaiah 4:1

"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."

These are women that will have acknowledged their iniquity and repent from their evil and prideful deeds. They will now desire to eat that which the Most High commanded and wear the beautiful and modest garments they once wore. They will seek the leadership of a righteous man and desire marriage in order to take away the disapproval (reproach) that the Most High has for their disdain for marital order.

Isaiah 4:2 "In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

The Lord says this will be a beautiful and glorious thing for the men and women. But we must understand many of our men will be destroyed for their lack of repentance which will in turn make the findings of a righteous man of the Lord scarce but well worth the find.

Isaiah 13:12 " I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir."

As far as so called "polygamy", what did Christ say?

Mathew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Let's examine a particular question that the Pharisees asked Christ.

Luke 20:28 "Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother."

The Law requires that if a man is married and dies having no son (an heir), the deceased's brother must marry his wife and raise up seed for his dead brother. This would be done if the deceased's brother was already married or not. If these laws were not applicable the question would have been irrelevant. If this law is then applicable, can the stipulations change? Isaiah 4:1 tells us they have not changed.

Since the law is not changed, we can understand 1 Tim 3:2 better:
"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

We must examine the word "one" in this scripture. Since it is taken from the Greek we can use a lexicon to get a better understanding of the word.

One - mia (gr) One or first

the definition described as "first" will run congruent with the scriptures. The qualifying factors of a Bishop is he "must be the husband of a first wife..." meaning if a Bishop has one wife or more than one, the point is he is required to have experience in the ways of marriage.

Paul alerts us to marital consideration...

1 Cor 7:6-8 "But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
For I would that all men were even as I myself (unmarried). But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

So there's unmarried men and women and married women and men with one or more wives each with his proper gift of the Most High.


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Ok, so then if the context of "first" should be used in1 Timothy 3:2

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Which I don't agree with; and I don't even really discern your confidence in this matter!
but that is neither here nor there.

What then is the context of the word "Own" in 1 Corinthians 7:2

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband

or

Matthew 19:5
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

No more two individuals but one flesh; not just on one accord but one body!

Matthew 19:6
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

God did Not give Adam multiple wives he gave him one from his rib.

Except in the case of Jacob ( because twelve tribes had to come from him, to have multiple wives was a disaster.

How can you focus on the Most High's business with multiple wives ?

1 Corinthians 7:29
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;


Ephesians chapter 5 likens the church to a wife ,not multiple wives.

and here we see one flesh again.( this could not be simply referring to the two becoming one sexually)

verse 33 is the clincher this would have been the perfect time to include the plural form of wife here but it did not:

Ephesians 5:33
Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


verses 24- 28 is speaking to multiple men( not one man with many wives)

I wonder how many men are willing to die for one wife?( their true love maybe, Yes) but two or more; nawwwww! They would be expendable and therefore proving their lust and not Necessity.

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

I still don't get it; it's just not matching up with the rest of the scriptures! I got to find the balance of this issue; because I don't have a problem with what ever the will of the Most High is...I was created to serve him and him alone. so it's not about what I think or feel but what thus saith the Lord and I have not found the balance to this topic Yet! Greed is a sin!

anticipating your response, Gilana


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"Own" is possessive. The scripture stated is speaking in regards to fornication (adultery) Every man should have his OWN wife (singular or plural) and not another man's wife. And a married woman should not be with any other man. Lets prove the word "own"

Who was Abigail's "own" husband after Nabal's death?
Who was Michal's own husband?
Who was Bathsheeba's own husband (after the conspiracy and death of Uriah)?

The answer to all 3 question is David!

If you are implying that 1 Cor 7:2 is the stipulation of marriage, then Jacob, David, Gideon etc..ALONG WITH THEIR WIVES would have all been fornicators. Which we know is not acceptable to the Lord. Lets see what the Lord said to David...

2 Sam 12:7-9 "And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, [U]and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon[/B]."

The Lord expressed to David that his act of adultery was not needful and the Most High would have given him anything he desired (including more wives) if David had asked. Why would the Lord grant such a request if it were evil? Lets move forward...

1 Chronicles 14:3 "And David took more wives at Jerusalem: and David begat more sons and daughters." was this evil? unrighteous? Lets see?

1 Kings 15:4-5 "Nevertheless for David's sake did the LORD his God give him a lamp in Jerusalem, to set up his son after him, and to establish Jerusalem: Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, [U]save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. [/B]"

There are numerous scriptures where the Lord mentions the re-establishing of the House of David (which of course Christ belongs to). Why would such honor be given if he was a repeated fornicator?

When Christ mentions "one Flesh", he is giving you the foundation of oneness given to Adam. The married unit should act as one body with one common goal and function. However Christ does not specify it as unlawful for a man to have more than one wife. But does this limit the understanding to just TWO people or one man and one woman? Lets compare

Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

This is what Adam said understanding the oneness of his wife and offspring that shall come.

2 Samuel 5:1 "Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh."

Was this not what Adam said? Christ also says....

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

So we see that the unit of marriage and family structure is centered around the head. The wife or wives, children and those of his house are ONE with him bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. One agreeable unit!

Let's revisit 1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;..."

Lets look at this from the perspective of the Bishop to only have ONE wife. One of the qualifications is, a the Bishop MUST be married. Would Paul qualify seeing he was unmarried? from this perspective men with more than one wife simply would not qualify for this position. Does this ruin their righteousness or chances of salvation? No. Not to mention, if a man having just one wife was the rule of the land, why would Paul feel inclined to use the word "ONE" ? Either way this scripture does not support that the law of marriage or should I say a man having multiple wives was discarded.

Many say "why are there no accounts of polygamy in the new testament?" I will have to say "I haven't read of any accounts of bestiality, or incest, pedophiles, or orgies in the new testament (which are all UNLAWFUL). Can we say they no longer apply? "

As far as works are concerned, I speak from 15 years of experience in the matter at hand and my works and the works of my family have not been hindered whatsoever.

With all praises to the Most High.





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Thank you for the reply; I guess in the past this could have be done in righteousness .

I would sure hate to see how complicated this would be today; I think I will take Paul's advice here:

1 Cor 7:6-8 "But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
For I would that all men were even as I myself (unmarried). But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.


Something comes to mind for me when trying to take this in *(Not being Bias) but just examining; Who then is your brother? and which brotha out of the congregation would be eligible to raise up seed to his dead brotha?

Matthew 12:48
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Matthew 12:49
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

A similar question was posed to Christ in Matthew 22:23_30

23. The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,

24. Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

25. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:

26. Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.

27. And last of all the woman died also.

28. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven

LOl, I am reminded of this scripture also:

Matthew 19:10
His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

Matthew 19:11
But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.


Shalam, from Your forever single sista in truth ( Lol) Gilana



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RS you will NEVER be single as long as you are married to Christ!!! lol

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Being one with someone is not necessarily singular. For instance, if Israel is the bride and Christ her bridegroom, how can Israel be one with Christ if each and every one of us are different, bearing our own spirit and gifts? We are members working as ONE: "11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many." I Corinthians 12:11-14

Accordingly, a husband with more than one wife is able to be one with each of his wives as Christ is with Israel or the body with it various members.

A husband and wife are not deemed being one per se because they are one man and one woman in the relationship – the Most High is not concerned with numbers: "The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people" Deuteronomy 7:7 – the couple is ONE because of their united spirits and minds in righteousness. They both have the same faith and desire to love and serve the Most High in obedience as Christ did: "Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous." I Peter 3:8

As TN brought out, Christ did not come to destroy the law, all that was lawful and right in the past is still lawful and right in the present (except for the sacrificial laws because Christ was the last sacrificial lamb who died for Israel). Meaning, if a marriage relationship with more than one wife was lawful in the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then it remains lawful now. The Most High does not change: "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed" Malachi 3:6

Although a husband having more than one wife is one of the oldest and most commonly practiced types of marriage, this kind of relationship has unjustly suffered many myths and untruths. Both men and women find it difficult to understand because there is a lack of modern examples on how to live it out righteously. We ALL seek at one point or another to be the "apple of someone’s eye," especially we women with our husbands, but remember that our thoughts and desires are not that of the Most High’s and He may see it best to appoint you to a family with more than one wife: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8 He gives us what we need: "33 All the works of the Lord are good: and he will give every needful thing in due season. 34 So that a man cannot say, This is worse than that: for in time they shall all be well approved. 35 And therefore praise ye the Lord with the whole heart and mouth, and bless the name of the Lord." Ecclesiasticus 39:33-35 (Apocrypha).

If Israel relied less on it’s crutch of requiring a sign (an example) and moved more on faith and wisdom, we would more easily "understand" the ways of the Father: "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:" I Corinthians 1:22 But as we continually renew ourselves in righteousness, allow yourself the faith to open your mind and patiently wait for the understanding and acceptance of those things not clear: "5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls." I Peter 1:5-9

Keep asking the questions and seeking truth – it is a good thing to be convinced in your own mind: "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" Romans 14:5. The Most High will give you understanding if you REALLY want it: "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you (with His wisdom) in due time! I Peter 5:6

Your fellow Sister in Truth,

Parah


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Thank you sista Parah,
I guess I'm just a sucker for monogamy and romance! Lol
I don't like to share anything but the word of God and Hospitality!

It may be spiritual immaturity; or maybe not.

So, since I have had no living examples before me to model this type of union

How would this take place in America?

Are there separate houses?

Intimacy schedules? etc.. ( you do realize that women who become close their cycles link up. Lol... so their is no alternating between the two) around that time.

Seriously, lay out a scenario for me about how this would work?


Now curious, Gilana

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Every family is different.  There is no one way of living this out.  Your husband would have to see fit the best way of making the relationship work in righteousness - it may be one house, it may be many. 
 
Sure there will be dilemmas, what relationship doesn't have them, but if each member keeps focus on living out their role in righteousness (the husband as the head, the wife/wives as the husband's possession) then each will receive understanding as to what needs to be done.  The best example to seek out is the following of the law.  If you use the Most High's Word as your guide, then it will not allow jealousy or pride to rule your heart nor would you find yourself concerned with trivial matters. 
 
If you are renewing yourself in the ways of the Most High, virtually everything you do will be different from the ways of America like not eating pork or wearing a scarf or keeping the holy days.  And just the same you made it work for you in America to adjust for those things, you will also adjust for this because we are not to pick and choose what to follow: "I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality." I Timothy 5:21
 
Remember that "romance" is something invented and pushed on our people by the wicked powers that be to keep us blind and desiring carnality -- the word itself bears root in evil "Roman" practice.  As children of the Most High we must find our joy and love in His ways, not that of the world's. The purpose of marriage is not for "romance."  Marriage is a blessing because we are righteously being fruitful and multiplying the great Nation of Israel both physically and spiritually and are being offered one of the many ways of being ONE with Christ.

This may be a mystery to you now, but that does not warrant it to be labeled unpractical or not of the Most High.
 
We must all continue in prayer and fasting to receive the gift of wisdom and humbleness.
 
You are not alone in your inquiries concerning this topic.  I too have had many questions regarding marriage in the nearly 15 years of living our Father's truth.  But I can say that He reveals all to you in due time!

Rest assured my Sister, that even with the worldly obstacles associated with a plural marriage or any marriage for that matter, the love, the fellowship, the support, and most importantly, the spiritual growth gained in one’s walk with the Lord greatly exceed any negativity: "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory." II Corinthians 4:17
 
Parah 
 
 

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I am grateful for any Happy fruitful union in Yahawahshi in regards to the marriage that you have. I pray that it continues to be advantageous in righteousness. I trust the Most High Not to put more on me than I can bear...a multiple wife household for me right now would indeed be to much to bear.But I have survived many things that maybe others had thought was to much for them.

Be encouraged my sista, Stay prayerful and humble as you are this day or rather be in creased always.


learning to love in Christ daily,

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I would first like to say “Tawab” (good job!) to the elder brother speaking on behalf of TN for another thorough breakdown.  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15)

 

It is good that Gilana presented the questions re polygamy and how it pertains to the Nation today, as I am sure it was (and will be in the future) a question on the mind of many others.  It is also good to hear from the sister Parah in defense of the gospel (Ephesians 6:19) for the purpose of building up a fellow sister. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.” (Proverbs 27:17)  This forum is meant for edification and so I say thawadah Abba for His Spirit moving within our realm.  As He says…”For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” (Matthew 18:20)

 

As was brought out thus far, polygamy was lawful in the so-called old testament (David, Gideon, Jacob, etc.), thus it is lawful today.  The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9)  We don’t get to pick and choose (or teach others to do so by revealing our discomfort) which laws are easiest for us to adhere to.  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.” (1 Timothy 5:21)

 

Those men and women in the bible involved in polygamist relationships are listed within the scriptures for a reason.  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition…. (1 Corinthians 10:11)  For I am the LORD, I change not…(Malachi 3:6)  “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” (Hebrews 13:8)  For what if some did not believe?  Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. (Romans 3:3-4)

 

Western society promotes disfavor of polygamist relationships, and thus due to cursed conditions, we do not have many positive examples of such (as Parah stated).  And those Israelites that partake of these types of relationships (in righteousness) are scorned even amongst other Israelites.  “For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.  For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." (Romans 15:3-4)

 

Whether one chooses to be involved in polygamy is the choice of that individual.  All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Corinthians 6:12)  You have the right to choose and not be moved left or right by your emotions.  However, read the following scripture…“Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:  That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.” (Romans 15: 5-7)

 

There are those without knowledge of the truth of their identity, that turn their ear from hearing the truth simply because the existence of polygamy in the scriptures is revealed to them.  But if the Most High does not speak against it, than we shall not speak against it either, but instead defend the full truth. “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16)

 

There is nothing wrong with marrying or in remaining single.  Read the following:  "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.  But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." (1 Corinthians 7:34-37)

 

However take heed to the following scriptures:

 

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. (Proverbs 4:7)  Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. (Proverbs 21:2)  Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine…  If it is meant for one to marry let not one's pride get in the way.  Neglect not the gift that is in thee, Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. (1 Timothy 4:13-16) 

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Shalom sista Nashah,

I agree with all that was stated above except for the fact that a Bishop or Deacon can have more than one wife .. ( one will always mean one to me) the scriptures say prove a friend..that's exactly what I'm doing. I have to ask controversial questions sometimes to pick the brains of the people who claim to have knowledge and I see that these brothas do indeed have knowledge and wisdom,( not crediting them early.. just proving them) However, the scriptures are plain... Not a Bishop or a Deacon... of course there were multiple wives in our history.. ( as a woman just speaking my mind though) I can't see it working out at all in today's time; there is much work to do for all parties involved ( male and female). but the sista Parah helped me to see that maybe there is a slight chance it could happen.

I took the position of one who would oppose because I wanted to see the response of the church TN. to see how they would handle the situation, what counsel would come about, ( basically, what they are teaching... and also are we all on one accord but when the brotha said that" one" doesn't mean" one" then I was like whoa... so I picked at the subject matter a little further. I definitely liked the response of my sistas, because No body should ever be able to shake your belief in the truth. So no, I wouldn't teach against it because it is scriptural. but since I have a preference in the matter... I would say that it is not for me. The world has waxed gross and most brothas and sista are not spiritual enough to sustain a dual marriage.

I am thankful to the Most High for all scriptures pulled.. because it stirs up my remembrance and Iron sharpeneth Iron.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

proving a friend is a lifetime process but somewhere along the line you do start calling them "Friend" if warranted.

I look forward to building with all of you ( Parah, TN and Nashah)

Shalam, Your from your sista


but we disagree on that part only

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Indeed!! the scriptures everyone used are very well stated. And it is good that RS is discerning.

Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, [U]and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so[/B]."

It is important that we study in order to not be moved by false teachings because there are MANY out there.

It is definitely hard to see such a marriage work in today's time because of the evil that exist. However, it does! Many nations and countries practice it successfully and without the laws of God. How much more should we that are called to the Lord be able to perform any of his righteous deeds? The law is not limited to any specific time zone or geographical location. With evil on the rise, even so-called monogamous relationships are rapidly deteriorating. It is not the law of the Most High that is the problem, it is the individuals that choose not to follow and preserve righteousness so the glory of the Lord falls by the way side as Satan desires. The key to destroying a nation is to destroy the concept of family and its structure. Marriage and children are a blessing, but why do these things seem to be a curse? In scripture, our ancestors desired and prayed for children. But today, when the woman tells her mate she is pregnant.......its "AWE DAMN FOR REAL!?" (in a disappointing tone). America has ripped the heart out of our people with it's evil concepts and philosophies but we are getting back to Israel....ON ALL LEVELS!!!!



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He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.
Proverbs 19:16

Everybody has their own cross to carry an we cant allow our feelings to lead us. The commandments say what they say regardless of opinions. I think many sisters have a hard time with this subject because of the foul play and wicked intentions done by some brothers that have used this law to satisfy their lust.

romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

verse 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

verse 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

I dont think theres any disagreement with the law itself but those that dont favor this type of marriage should be careful not to discourage others and those that do favor it must be careful not to impose it on another. and oftentimes our opinions do that.

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